At 10/17/25 06:46 PM, xeiavica wrote:

At 10/17/25 05:10 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/17/25 04:57 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/17/25 04:52 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/17/25 02:09 PM, Anamonator wrote:From reading people’s messages. I’m very glad to hear that some of you are against this type of use of Generative AI. I know the creator did not have ill intentions when making this cartoon while blatantly using generative Ai throughout, but at the same time, since @TomFulp is letting stuff like this slip through the portal (this video used to be deleted and tom restored it) we should start being more critical about what we rate submissions like @BrandyBuizel said.

I'm the one who unpublished it and I republished it so people could discuss it, since it got contentious.

I'm ok with allowances for some AI use in movies, I just think this one is over-reliant on it. It would be ideal if movies like this didn't win daily awards, at the very least.

My apologies for putting you on the spot like that Tom. But I wonder, what is your opinion on Dearest Friends? Do you think too much Ai was used in this?

That is the movie I'm talking about, I think it's over-reliant on AI. Without being an absolutist it's hard to say if it should be disallowed, since we have made exceptions for other movies that utilize some AI in their production.

This movie still does have human effort involved in certain aspects but if someone used this method to submit frequent movies it would feel like shovelware to me.

I would honestly be careful tom, if you act too lenient, this place will turn into what happened to deviantart soon enough.

At 10/17/25 05:48 PM, Czyszy wrote:

At 10/17/25 05:43 PM, TangoStar wrote:"Would it be valid if something with GenAI or had GenAI involvement had substantial effort and has good quality?"

TheJayShow used a small amount of AI generated art in addition to hand drawn animation to make the elements from the "dream sequence" look off and unsettling. I think that is one of the very rare examples of creative use of GenAI.

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/867091

At 10/17/25 05:48 PM, Czyszy wrote:

At 10/17/25 05:43 PM, TangoStar wrote:"Would it be valid if something with GenAI or had GenAI involvement had substantial effort and has good quality?"

TheJayShow used a small amount of AI generated art in addition to hand drawn animation to make the elements from the "dream sequence" look off and unsettling. I think that is one of the very rare examples of creative use of GenAI.

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/867091

At 10/16/25 08:09 AM, Anamonator wrote:So yesterday this submission hit the portal
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/1001906

The Majority of the submission was entirely generated with Ai. The Voices, (Some) Backrounds, Music and Allegedly the Script.

But the only element that was not generated by Ai was the character animation and some props.. Which I can tell by the line weight that it’s probably flash animated but it’s overlaying Ai


I saw @CrockettDK and @TangoStar have a conversation about it yesterday (10/15/2025) in the daily winners thread. They argued that the voice acting being Ai generated meant that it was technically the majority of the submission since voice acting conveys the story and humor, and it should have been deleted because the majority of this flash animation was generated by Ai. But what are your thoughts on this? Me personally I think this should be removed.

The reason I used the word exception is because this animation is in the portal and uses Ai
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/1000974

But considering it’s a parody Animation against Ai, I think this is fine.

At 10/17/25 04:52 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/17/25 02:09 PM, Anamonator wrote:From reading people’s messages. I’m very glad to hear that some of you are against this type of use of Generative AI. I know the creator did not have ill intentions when making this cartoon while blatantly using generative Ai throughout, but at the same time, since @TomFulp is letting stuff like this slip through the portal (this video used to be deleted and tom restored it) we should start being more critical about what we rate submissions like @BrandyBuizel said.

I'm the one who unpublished it and I republished it so people could discuss it, since it got contentious.

I'm ok with allowances for some AI use in movies, I just think this one is over-reliant on it. It would be ideal if movies like this didn't win daily awards, at the very least.

At 10/17/25 09:31 PM, BrandyBuizel wrote:

At 10/17/25 04:52 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/17/25 02:09 PM, Anamonator wrote:From reading people’s messages. I’m very glad to hear that some of you are against this type of use of Generative AI. I know the creator did not have ill intentions when making this cartoon while blatantly using generative Ai throughout, but at the same time, since @TomFulp is letting stuff like this slip through the portal (this video used to be deleted and tom restored it) we should start being more critical about what we rate submissions like @BrandyBuizel said.

I'm the one who unpublished it and I republished it so people could discuss it, since it got contentious.

I'm ok with allowances for some AI use in movies, I just think this one is over-reliant on it. It would be ideal if movies like this didn't win daily awards, at the very least.

i think ai tech has its place, i'll say it again: I used a couple different AI technologies to enhance the stop motion in LUCKYBOY and speed up 3D rendering. AI Generative crap though I think needs a hard ban. It's a slippery slope and people seem to champion newgrounds online for its anti-AI stance. let's commit.

we're strict about licensed music these days, let's restrict AI use now instead of 5 years later

At 10/17/25 09:58 PM, Dolorious wrote:

At 10/17/25 09:31 PM, BrandyBuizel wrote:

At 10/17/25 04:52 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/17/25 02:09 PM, Anamonator wrote:From reading people’s messages. I’m very glad to hear that some of you are against this type of use of Generative AI. I know the creator did not have ill intentions when making this cartoon while blatantly using generative Ai throughout, but at the same time, since @TomFulp is letting stuff like this slip through the portal (this video used to be deleted and tom restored it) we should start being more critical about what we rate submissions like @BrandyBuizel said.

I'm the one who unpublished it and I republished it so people could discuss it, since it got contentious.

I'm ok with allowances for some AI use in movies, I just think this one is over-reliant on it. It would be ideal if movies like this didn't win daily awards, at the very least.

i think ai tech has its place, i'll say it again: I used a couple different AI technologies to enhance the stop motion in LUCKYBOY and speed up 3D rendering. AI Generative crap though I think needs a hard ban. It's a slippery slope and people seem to champion newgrounds online for its anti-AI stance. let's commit.

we're strict about licensed music these days, let's restrict AI use now instead of 5 years later

AI to speed up 3d rendering?
Is that like some UE5 framegen shenanigans or?

At 10/18/25 01:17 AM, Gimmick wrote:If GoAnimate submissions are not allowed here, I see no reason why this should be allowed if the parts that ARE manually created aren't significant enough to offset the AI usage.

Now granted that kinda sucks for the author as well because they DID put effort into it, just not enough to clear the bar here. But if the voice acting was fixed and it was resubmitted, then it would be OK to pass if that's where the majority of the comedy indeed came from.

At 10/18/25 01:24 AM, Gimmick wrote:

At 10/18/25 01:19 AM, BrandyBuizel wrote:honestly? forget effort.
we only mention the effort something took when it comes to mediocre work. the good stuff we like took plenty of effort too, so why we treating low-level blammables differently?

Well that's irrelevant, enough people have decided that it's "good enough" to pass the judgement process so that ship has long since sailed.

At 10/18/25 02:31 AM, Jojo wrote:I'm gonna be honest, I'm not a personal fan with how lenient we are with AI on this site, even "minor" usage of it. AI is not only lazy and uninspired, but it's genuinely horrible for the environment, so I seriously don't see the point in it at all. Newgrounds is one of the few places left that feels like it still cares about human artists, but that seems to be slowly feeling less like the case. I love this site and have been a part of it since the late 2000s without an account, so it's just kind of a shame to see this happening.

I'm chill with Text-to-speech stuff like Microsoft Sam or Will-From-Afar, but flat-out just replacing humans? Like, what is the point of even making art if you're just going to take the human aspect out of it. I mean, the word "human" is in the dictionary definition for art.

I don't know, I just don't get it. Making any type of art has never been more accessible and affordable, and people instead choose to sacrifice their humanity for the sake of "convenience" while burning the only planet that can even host this "art" these worthless machines produce.

I agree with @TurkeyOnAStick on people just collaborating more. That's what the damn site is for!

Also in regards to what @TomFulp said, I'm pretty sure the majority of people on this site are fine with AI just not really being allowed here. Most of us users came here to escape that nonsense from other sites.

To leave things on a good note though, I am grateful for the wonderful times I've had on this site, even if it goes down a path I just cannot personally vibe with. I may never have ended up a musician or a voice actor if it wasn't for this site, that's why I care so much about it.

At 10/17/25 05:10 PM, TomFulp wrote:That is the movie I'm talking about, I think it's over-reliant on AI. Without being an absolutist it's hard to say if it should be disallowed, since we have made exceptions for other movies that utilize some AI in their production.

This movie still does have human effort involved in certain aspects but if someone used this method to submit frequent movies it would feel like shovelware to me.

At 10/17/25 10:55 PM, BrandyBuizel wrote:

At 10/17/25 09:58 PM, Dolorious wrote:

At 10/17/25 09:31 PM, BrandyBuizel wrote:

At 10/17/25 04:52 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/17/25 02:09 PM, Anamonator wrote:From reading people’s messages. I’m very glad to hear that some of you are against this type of use of Generative AI. I know the creator did not have ill intentions when making this cartoon while blatantly using generative Ai throughout, but at the same time, since @TomFulp is letting stuff like this slip through the portal (this video used to be deleted and tom restored it) we should start being more critical about what we rate submissions like @BrandyBuizel said.

I'm the one who unpublished it and I republished it so people could discuss it, since it got contentious.

I'm ok with allowances for some AI use in movies, I just think this one is over-reliant on it. It would be ideal if movies like this didn't win daily awards, at the very least.

i think ai tech has its place, i'll say it again: I used a couple different AI technologies to enhance the stop motion in LUCKYBOY and speed up 3D rendering. AI Generative crap though I think needs a hard ban. It's a slippery slope and people seem to champion newgrounds online for its anti-AI stance. let's commit.

we're strict about licensed music these days, let's restrict AI use now instead of 5 years later

AI to speed up 3d rendering?
Is that like some UE5 framegen shenanigans or?

AI denoisers allow lower samples and temporal consistency = faster renders
AI upscalers can up a 720p render to 1080p = faster
AI temporal frame-interpolators can reduce the frames rendered directly from 24fps to 12fps and then generate the frames in between = literally cuts time in half

essentially AI has a lot of roles outside of artistry that are incredible tools and that's just for 3D. Not every shot will use more than 1 technique and some can't use any without sacrificing quality. But when you can get away with it, i highly recommend it!

At 10/18/25 12:17 PM, Anamonator wrote:Alright I went into some digging about abdragon26 and I found his YouTube channel.

https://youtube.com/@abdragon26

(DO NOT HARASS THIS GUY IN THE COMMENTS)

Thankfully, a lot of his content is not Ai generated except for his “Dearest Friends” cartoon which is both uploaded in Arabic and English. The majority of his content is either Eddsworld fan dubs, fan animations, and his own animations trying to emulate Edds style from around 2007-08.

This not justifying his actions, but it does show that this person is fully capable of making backrounds himself. Because in some shots of “Dearest Friends” there are backrounds made by him.

At 10/18/25 12:17 PM, Anamonator wrote:Alright I went into some digging about abdragon26 and I found his YouTube channel.

https://youtube.com/@abdragon26

(DO NOT HARASS THIS GUY IN THE COMMENTS)

Thankfully, a lot of his content is not Ai generated except for his “Dearest Friends” cartoon which is both uploaded in Arabic and English. The majority of his content is either Eddsworld fan dubs, fan animations, and his own animations trying to emulate Edds style from around 2007-08.

This not justifying his actions, but it does show that this person is fully capable of making backrounds himself. Because in some shots of “Dearest Friends” there are backrounds made by him.

At 10/18/25 12:31 PM, TheBrainHellScape13 wrote:

At 10/18/25 12:17 PM, Anamonator wrote:Alright I went into some digging about abdragon26 and I found his YouTube channel.

https://youtube.com/@abdragon26

(DO NOT HARASS THIS GUY IN THE COMMENTS)

Thankfully, a lot of his content is not Ai generated except for his “Dearest Friends” cartoon which is both uploaded in Arabic and English. The majority of his content is either Eddsworld fan dubs, fan animations, and his own animations trying to emulate Edds style from around 2007-08.

This not justifying his actions, but it does show that this person is fully capable of making backrounds himself. Because in some shots of “Dearest Friends” there are backrounds made by him.

how did this get 4th place 😭

At 10/18/25 12:37 PM, BrandyBuizel wrote:

At 10/18/25 12:31 PM, TheBrainHellScape13 wrote:

At 10/18/25 12:17 PM, Anamonator wrote:Alright I went into some digging about abdragon26 and I found his YouTube channel.

https://youtube.com/@abdragon26

(DO NOT HARASS THIS GUY IN THE COMMENTS)

Thankfully, a lot of his content is not Ai generated except for his “Dearest Friends” cartoon which is both uploaded in Arabic and English. The majority of his content is either Eddsworld fan dubs, fan animations, and his own animations trying to emulate Edds style from around 2007-08.

This not justifying his actions, but it does show that this person is fully capable of making backrounds himself. Because in some shots of “Dearest Friends” there are backrounds made by him.

At 10/18/25 12:17 PM, Anamonator wrote:Alright I went into some digging about abdragon26 and I found his YouTube channel.

https://youtube.com/@abdragon26

(DO NOT HARASS THIS GUY IN THE COMMENTS)

Thankfully, a lot of his content is not Ai generated except for his “Dearest Friends” cartoon which is both uploaded in Arabic and English. The majority of his content is either Eddsworld fan dubs, fan animations, and his own animations trying to emulate Edds style from around 2007-08.

This not justifying his actions, but it does show that this person is fully capable of making backrounds himself. Because in some shots of “Dearest Friends” there are backrounds made by him.

At 10/17/25 12:01 PM, TangoStar wrote:Truthfully in my opinion the author obviously did these with good intentions. I think it's worth noting that as of recently, more and more schools are encouraging students to utilize generative AI tools, whether in just standard elementary/high school or specialized courses. Maybe this would be a good opportunity to discuss what we could do to encourage this upcoming generation of artists to ditch AI tools and rely more on collaborating with fellow other artists or learn the actual process!

At 10/18/25 01:27 AM, BrandyBuizel wrote:

At 10/18/25 01:24 AM, Gimmick wrote:

At 10/18/25 01:19 AM, BrandyBuizel wrote:honestly? forget effort.
we only mention the effort something took when it comes to mediocre work. the good stuff we like took plenty of effort too, so why we treating low-level blammables differently?

Well that's irrelevant, enough people have decided that it's "good enough" to pass the judgement process so that ship has long since sailed.

"Now granted that kinda sucks for the author as well because they DID put effort into it, just not enough to clear the bar here"

you made it relevant...

Then you got how the the internet over the past 10 years have been getting more unfriendly to those who aren't pros. I'm not saying criticism is bad. I wholeheartedly support the blam system and believe we as a community need higher standards.
The problem is when user submitted entertainment sites (YouTube specifically) create algorithms that only allows people with the time, money, and resources to create professional grade media and spit them out at a fast rate while quickly garnering millions in a short time. It discourages those who aren't skilled yet and the underprivileged.

At 10/17/25 04:52 PM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/17/25 02:09 PM, Anamonator wrote:From reading people’s messages. I’m very glad to hear that some of you are against this type of use of Generative AI. I know the creator did not have ill intentions when making this cartoon while blatantly using generative Ai throughout, but at the same time, since @TomFulp is letting stuff like this slip through the portal (this video used to be deleted and tom restored it) we should start being more critical about what we rate submissions like @BrandyBuizel said.

I'm the one who unpublished it and I republished it so people could discuss it, since it got contentious.

I'm ok with allowances for some AI use in movies, I just think this one is over-reliant on it. It would be ideal if movies like this didn't win daily awards, at the very least.

At 10/18/25 04:28 PM, TangoStar wrote:A bunch of people wrote:

Everyone would be fine if we just ban AI completely

smh lol we already pointed how to indiscriminately banning anything that had genAI involved would have a lot of actual website history and decent/good movies taken down (although sans clock stuff the only stuff to use it in an interesting way to my knowledge are movies that specifically take a jab at genAI)
I will not be the one to try to defend genAI but we have already seen how it's impossible to be impartial in this case. I wonder if people have been paying attention also and noticed that the movie was kept up so we can discuss and refer to it.