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ChrisMckiernan
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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 01:57:00

I see your perspective and I'm glad you understand my point somewhat.


If you noticed...his last 5-6 videos that have landed him on the front page, use a decent amount of ai generation. They play major parts in his videos and the plot of his videos would fall apart without these ai generated characters.


Even though he "mocks" the ai generation aspects of his animation, it still makes up a big chunk of the work within the video.


He mocks the very thing that he relies on to get "views" and "likes", so he keeps doing it because he is getting away with it.


It asks the question...if he disdains ai generation, why is it in all his recent videos? Wouldn't it make more sense to not use ai generation all together if he was against it...as he claims in his videos?


He's riding the gen ai train until he goes too far and newgrounds says no...if they say no.

He's basically testing the waters to see what he can get away with.


He's playing both sides for exposure, which is very hypocritical, considering the very act he is mocking, plays a major role in his recent content and successes on newgrounds.


My main fear with this guy, is that he inspires more "self-deprecating" ai generated videos from other people. Since its mocking ai generation, they would use that an excuse to use it. So more gen ai users can worm there way in slowly but surely.


That is very troubling to me, because that might be a sign of things to come and newgrounds might not be the place it use to be in the future unless its stopped.


I do not want newgrounds to be the next deviantart. Being overrun by ai slop until the site just gives in to all these scam IP infringers and tech prompters. Where hard work from real creatives is exploited for recycling and digital theft on a daily basis.


If newgrounds want to stay a site for real artists, it has to ban this stuff completely. No tolerance policy.

Tom Fulp and the rest of newgrounds management have to really crack down on this if they want to preserve their integrity as a serious platform.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 02:12:09

Its not fine. Half of that video relies on ai generation. "Self-deprecating" the "means-of-production" is not an excuse. that's hypocritical. Newgrounds really has to get harsher on this.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 02:15:20

They are human worms. The Atlanta art convention is another example. Some ai scammer was selling prints of generations for days, before the police escorted him out. Since that incident, all conventions in the US ban it.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 02:15:54

At 10/21/25 01:08 AM, Retro-Phantom wrote:
At 10/20/25 06:16 PM, tydaze wrote:While I think it's safe to say the majority of us here on NG are anti-AI, some of our reasons for feeling that way are very different. I think this is the primary cause of the discourse we're currently experiencing in our community.
I believe I can identify three key points on which anti-AI opinions are rooted:

I've been following this thread since roughly the day after it was created, and among the almost 6 pages worth of replies, this might be the most the well written post. You have good evidence to back up what your saying.

I also appreciate how you point out how not all anti-ai users have the same beliefs. I consider myself pretty open-minded when it comes to AI's use in art, but I learn towards the ethical aspect since I consider scraping without consent to be appalling.

While I overall disagree with you, I respect the effort you put in writing this and consider it infinitely more thought provoking and intelligent than most of the discussion this topic usually entails, including in this thread.


Thanks for recognizing the effort I put into my post. These are things I've been thinking on for some time and feel strongly about.


I would like to ask though, if you find scraping without consent to be appalling, then why do you disagree with me? Are you under the impression there are people using AI models that they implemented themselves trained on data sets that only include what they have permission to use? There are extremely few people doing that, if any. I would be fine with those as exceptions, if they are able to prove it.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 02:54:24

At 10/21/25 01:57 AM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:I see your perspective and I'm glad you understand my point somewhat.

If you noticed...his last 5-6 videos that have landed him on the front page, use a decent amount of ai generation. They play major parts in his videos and the plot of his videos would fall apart without these ai generated characters.

Even though he "mocks" the ai generation aspects of his animation, it still makes up a big chunk of the work within the video.

He mocks the very thing that he relies on to get "views" and "likes", so he keeps doing it because he is getting away with it.

It asks the question...if he disdains ai generation, why is it in all his recent videos? Wouldn't it make more sense to not use ai generation all together if he was against it...as he claims in his videos?

He's riding the gen ai train until he goes too far and newgrounds says no...if they say no.
He's basically testing the waters to see what he can get away with.

He's playing both sides for exposure, which is very hypocritical, considering the very act he is mocking, plays a major role in his recent content and successes on newgrounds.

My main fear with this guy, is that he inspires more "self-deprecating" ai generated videos from other people. Since its mocking ai generation, they would use that an excuse to use it. So more gen ai users can worm there way in slowly but surely.

That is very troubling to me, because that might be a sign of things to come and newgrounds might not be the place it use to be in the future unless its stopped.

I do not want newgrounds to be the next deviantart. Being overrun by ai slop until the site just gives in to all these scam IP infringers and tech prompters. Where hard work from real creatives is exploited for recycling and digital theft on a daily basis.

If newgrounds want to stay a site for real artists, it has to ban this stuff completely. No tolerance policy.
Tom Fulp and the rest of newgrounds management have to really crack down on this if they want to preserve their integrity as a serious platform.

It's also possible to criticize AI without using AI, like in this animation here, whose creator did not touch an AI tool for this:

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 03:11:51

At 10/21/25 02:54 AM, AFasterSlowpoke wrote:It's also possible to criticize AI without using AI, like in this animation here, whose creator did not touch an AI tool for this:
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/940153


This is a great example. Mock gen ai without actually using gen ai. This is the way it should be done. i like this.


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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 03:40:52 (edited 2025-10-21 03:44:37)

At 10/21/25 01:57 AM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:If you noticed...his last 5-6 videos that have landed him on the front page, use a decent amount of ai generation. They play major parts in his videos and the plot of his videos would fall apart without these ai generated characters.

etc.


1) I don’t have an issue with the ironic use of AI to make a message about AI, as it makes the message more effective.


2) If you think he is riding the anti-AI train and unironically using AI to help him pump out videos, you should say as such in your reviews.


Most people are going to be watching the video in isolation, so if you have an opinion about their submission history you should say so in the reviews.


I think it’s better handled as a community like the Foamy cartoons (pre AI) so it’s a common voice rather than reporting.


I don’t think he’s pumping these out - there’s about 2-months gap between the last 3 AI animations.


I’ve seen your reviews on these movies - the conprehensive message you’ve posted in this thread just doesn’t come across at all - it looks like you don’t like the content because the ironic AI cartoon contains AI.


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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 04:03:04

At 10/21/25 03:40 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:
At 10/21/25 01:57 AM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:If you noticed...his last 5-6 videos that have landed him on the front page, use a decent amount of ai generation. They play major parts in his videos and the plot of his videos would fall apart without these ai generated characters.

etc.

1) I don’t have an issue with the ironic use of AI to make a message about AI, as it makes the message more effective.

2) If you think he is riding the anti-AI train and unironically using AI to help him pump out videos, you should say as such in your reviews.

Most people are going to be watching the video in isolation, so if you have an opinion about their submission history you should say so in the reviews.

I think it’s better handled as a community like the Foamy cartoons (pre AI) so it’s a common voice rather than reporting.

I don’t think he’s pumping these out - there’s about 2-months gap between the last 3 AI animations.

I’ve seen your reviews on these movies - the conprehensive message you’ve posted in this thread just doesn’t come across at all - it looks like you don’t like the content because the ironic AI cartoon contains AI.

Well yes....Gen AI use should not be tolerated under any circumstances no matter the message, considering its "means-of production" and parasitic behavior.

His message is irrelevant if he's using the same exact methods (or depends on them) to get his message across.

That is not an excuse for unethical behavior at the expense of others hard work.


When it comes to my comments, I don't owe a detailed explanation for every response. I thought it was common knowledge that ai generation was not tolerated on newgrounds. But since we have "users" like activex, I might have to in the future. Also what does my comments have to do with the bigger issue at hand?


The community is a dominoe effect, so i do not understand your logic. it starts with one person speaking out and then other people agree. I am the community and so are you. Its out duty to speak up about actions that harm others in the long run.


He might pump out a video every 2 months, but his last 6 have a consistent gen ai in them. What does finish- time have to do with anything. this is about his recent work, not how fast he makes it. No one cares about that.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 08:06:58

At 10/21/25 12:38 AM, Metropoloxx wrote:
At 10/20/25 11:35 PM, DioShiba wrote:
At 10/20/25 11:15 PM, Metropoloxx wrote:I think to avoid future precedents this incident made, Tom should unpublish Abdragon26 Dearest Friends Ep 1. I can see this incident could be use as a reference for future arguments/debates by actual malicious AI gen users to defend their blatant over use of AI in their animation or art. Besides Abdragon26 should redo the cartoon without using AI and encourage him to avoid relying on it.

I agree that it may be for the best that the movie in question be removed.

Whether people are neutral at minimum or against it, I would have my concerns in this creating more problems than its worth.

Either there needs to be strict regulations, OR just ban it all together and end it. I do not think that Dearest Friends sets a good standard and given how Tom and the rest of the staff feel about the short I think there was more confliction involved in trying to be fair about this.

I do not think theres a win win situation either way. But taking it down at least nay address some concerns.

Yeah. I was looking at the AI Art Rules and it looks pretty balance view to what most people would agree is not okay to use AI but also okay to use AI. One thing I see that Abdragon26 may have broke according to the rules: "There are cases where some use of AI is ok, for example if you are primarily showcasing your character art but use an AI-generated background. In these cases, please note any elements where AI was used so that it is clear to users and moderators."

He did not note any elements where AI was used and my previous comments I said he didn't AI tag his animation. That's a solid reason to have his work unpublished.


Well that's the thing...


This applies for the Art Portal. Not necessarily the Animation Portal.


Which to be honest confuses me because when yout take a look at the Animation Portal the rules of this are a bit more loose.


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Comparing that with the Art Portal rukes which are more strict with this, notably in the paragraph you're citing since this post is on another page I will add this screenshot here too.


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To be honest even though the disclosure of the use of Ai would have been appreciated there is nothing in the Animation Portal that states this is necessary which I don't necessarily agree with on grounds you get situations like this, and I'll even add that I'm a bit confused by why this isn't the case.


As much as I don't want to put @TomFulp on the spotlight on this, I do wonder why in general in why people who use elements of Ai in their works in the Art Portal have to disclose that and not necessarily those who submit works in the Animation portal because that could potentially eliminate or reduce these types of controversies.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 09:21:20

At 10/21/25 08:06 AM, DioShiba wrote:To be honest even though the disclosure of the use of Ai would have been appreciated there is nothing in the Animation Portal that states this is necessary which I don't necessarily agree with on grounds you get situations like this, and I'll even add that I'm a bit confused by why this isn't the case.

As much as I don't want to put @TomFulp on the spotlight on this, I do wonder why in general in why people who use elements of Ai in their works in the Art Portal have to disclose that and not necessarily those who submit works in the Animation portal because that could potentially eliminate or reduce these types of controversies.


I've updated the movie guidelines, asking people to disclose and describe any AI use in the commentary.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 09:42:02 (edited 2025-10-21 09:44:47)

At 10/21/25 09:21 AM, TomFulp wrote:
At 10/21/25 08:06 AM, DioShiba wrote:To be honest even though the disclosure of the use of Ai would have been appreciated there is nothing in the Animation Portal that states this is necessary which I don't necessarily agree with on grounds you get situations like this, and I'll even add that I'm a bit confused by why this isn't the case.

As much as I don't want to put @TomFulp on the spotlight on this, I do wonder why in general in why people who use elements of Ai in their works in the Art Portal have to disclose that and not necessarily those who submit works in the Animation portal because that could potentially eliminate or reduce these types of controversies.

I've updated the movie guidelines, asking people to disclose and describe any AI use in the commentary.


That’s all well and good. But how long is the “Dearest Friends” video gonna stay up? Or are you gonna just leave it up and use it as an example what you shouldn’t not do and then it basically becomes a blamming spit pit?

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 09:50:29

At 10/21/25 04:03 AM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:Well yes....Gen AI use should not be tolerated under any circumstances no matter the message, considering its "means-of production" and parasitic behavior.
His message is irrelevant if he's using the same exact methods (or depends on them) to get his message across.
That is not an excuse for unethical behavior at the expense of others hard work.

When it comes to my comments, I don't owe a detailed explanation for every response. I thought it was common knowledge that ai generation was not tolerated on newgrounds. But since we have "users" like activex, I might have to in the future. Also what does my comments have to do with the bigger issue at hand?


The community is a dominoe effect, so i do not understand your logic. it starts with one person speaking out and then other people agree. I am the community and so are you. Its out duty to speak up about actions that harm others in the long run.


It’s not “common knowledge”, it’s a perception issue.


As per this thread, there was a degree of acceptability with content, but it’s trying to understand

a) where to draw the line, and

b) whether the vocal members of the community were happy with that line.


In your view, it sounds like it’s zero-tolerance.


Those reviews you left are basically “there’s AI in this, therefore I vote 0”. That’s your choice, just like it’s your choice to write a simplistic review …


… but it’s unlikely to lead to a domino effect. It doesn’t sound like you’re engaging with the content at all.


He might pump out a video every 2 months, but his last 6 have a consistent gen ai in them. What does finish- time have to do with anything. this is about his recent work, not how fast he makes it. No one cares about that.

People do care about how rapidly people pump out content - I refer back to the Foamy cartoons.


It does sound like you don’t like Gen AI being used in anyway whatsoever and that he’s ethically in the wrong for even touching it. That’s your opinion, but I wouldn’t second guess other people’s motivations.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 09:57:46

At 10/21/25 09:42 AM, Anamonator wrote:
At 10/21/25 09:21 AM, TomFulp wrote:
At 10/21/25 08:06 AM, DioShiba wrote:To be honest even though the disclosure of the use of Ai would have been appreciated there is nothing in the Animation Portal that states this is necessary which I don't necessarily agree with on grounds you get situations like this, and I'll even add that I'm a bit confused by why this isn't the case.

As much as I don't want to put @TomFulp on the spotlight on this, I do wonder why in general in why people who use elements of Ai in their works in the Art Portal have to disclose that and not necessarily those who submit works in the Animation portal because that could potentially eliminate or reduce these types of controversies.

I've updated the movie guidelines, asking people to disclose and describe any AI use in the commentary.

That’s all well and good. But how long is the “Dearest Friends” video gonna stay up? Or are you gonna just leave it up and use it as an example what you shouldn’t not do and then it basically becomes a blamming spit pit?


I'm still personally leaning towards removing it but there isn't any huge rush.


There's an ongoing argument that "if you delete that, you have to delete everything that has used AI in any way" and at the end of the day, my feeling is "nah it's my site and I just need to make controversial decisions sometimes."


My feeling is that the majority of people here want it to be removed. The reviews have been a mess because people are brigading it and mods have been removing some reviews for breaking the review guidelines, which makes people think mods are trying to protect AI, which isn't what they are trying to do.


This movie was clearly made by a younger artist where English isn't their first language. The ideal review for something like this would be to encourage the author to not lean on AI. Point out that the AI art flourishes like the burger logos weren't necessary, that they should look for voice actors here on NG and even try reaching out to some musicians. I'm still questioning if they even did their own tweens or if all the motion is from AI, that is part of the problem here, because they used so much AI, I wonder how much they used that we aren't even recognizing.


To quote something I said to CrimsonKero last night, "in the intro, the character tweens around 0:27... They have a subtle 3D effect that could be some nice use of tweening but looking at the way the lines wobble, I wonder if the entire tween is itself from a prompt. I'm not sure if this person drew these characters or prompted them and how much these scenes were generated by prompts."

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 09:59:32

One note worth adding, if people really are that hellbent on avoiding Ai at all costs, there is one solution I do have for them when the go to their blocked users/content settings:


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Tags to avoid.


Feel free to put in the related tags so you don't look at it.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 11:02:31

At 10/21/25 09:57 AM, TomFulp wrote:The ideal review for something like this would be to encourage the author to not lean on AI. Point out that the AI art flourishes like the burger logos weren't necessary, that they should look for voice actors here on NG and even try reaching out to some musicians.


I tried to leave a real review regarding it because I like following the rules and explaining what many find issue with, and left reccomemdations on what could be replaced and how. One other user followed through with real commentary on the use of AI rather than "this shit sucks" or dropping made-up slurs (that still bothers me a lot)... Then people buried it under more meaningless comments.


I can get behind why people will just hate AI no matter what, but like- HOW can we expect people to listen if we don't even bother explaining and breaking down the problem?? qwq Especially young people that maybe don't understand that art is 90% about the process of it, or that don't go on the internet much. This doesn't seem like an AI-bro on Twitter tryna ragebait, but a person that can actually listen if yk... given the chance to do so!!!


Honestly hope the creator hops on the thread eventually so they can see real arguments and not just random bullshit in the comments, a lot of which doesn't even hint at the usage of AI at all and is just like "this sucks"

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 11:37:44 (edited 2025-10-21 11:43:00)

At 10/21/25 11:02 AM, VesperHimmel wrote:
At 10/21/25 09:57 AM, TomFulp wrote:The ideal review for something like this would be to encourage the author to not lean on AI. Point out that the AI art flourishes like the burger logos weren't necessary, that they should look for voice actors here on NG and even try reaching out to some musicians.

I tried to leave a real review regarding it because I like following the rules and explaining what many find issue with, and left reccomemdations on what could be replaced and how. One other user followed through with real commentary on the use of AI rather than "this shit sucks" or dropping made-up slurs (that still bothers me a lot)... Then people buried it under more meaningless comments.

I can get behind why people will just hate AI no matter what, but like- HOW can we expect people to listen if we don't even bother explaining and breaking down the problem?? qwq Especially young people that maybe don't understand that art is 90% about the process of it, or that don't go on the internet much. This doesn't seem like an AI-bro on Twitter tryna ragebait, but a person that can actually listen if yk... given the chance to do so!!!

Honestly hope the creator hops on the thread eventually so they can see real arguments and not just random bullshit in the comments, a lot of which doesn't even hint at the usage of AI at all and is just like "this sucks"


In my honest opinion?


Encourage people to learn how to create art with the hard skills and remind them there is more merit to utilizing their own skills rather than explain constantly how Ai is bad.


This is one thing I would hope people considder for two reasons: the first being that artists show be showing that their skills are more viable than what a machine can do as long as they maintain a strong work ethic and the other being that the act of drawing and painting in of itself can be seen as an act of rebellion against what society thinks.


That should hold more importance than standing on a soap box preaching about how good or bad Ai is and in all honesty, more productive.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 11:45:27

At 10/21/25 11:37 AM, DioShiba wrote:In my honest opinion?

Encourage people to learn how to create art with the hard skills and remind them there is more merit to utilizing their own skills rather than explain constantly how Ai is bad.

Thisis one thing I would hope people considder for two reasons: the first being that artists show be showing that their skills are more viable than what a machine can do as long as they maintain a strong work ethic and the other being that the act of drawing and painting in of itself can be seen as an act of rebellion against what society thinks.

That should hold more importance than standing on a soap box preaching about how good or bad Ai is and in all honesty, more productive.


Honestly that's also true. Whenever I draw and write I can let the world fade away and truly express myself too jabsnsb. Might rewrite my reply to them once I got all my homework done to add onto it. Thanks for reminding me to share this feeling ;w;

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 11:47:54

At 10/21/25 09:59 AM, DioShiba wrote:One note worth adding, if people really are that hellbent on avoiding Ai at all costs, there is one solution I do have for them when the go to their blocked users/content settings:
Tags to avoid.

Feel free to put in the related tags so you don't look at it.


Good reminder, but unfortunately in most of the cases the authors won't be using tags that indicate they used generative AI tools, whether it's in bad faith because they want you to believe they did it by themselves, or in good faith because admittedly it's not so common to tag using the software you used (unless you really want to showcase that fact), so in the end this doesn't help much

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 11:53:16 (edited 2025-10-21 11:55:35)

At 10/21/25 11:47 AM, TangoStar wrote:
At 10/21/25 09:59 AM, DioShiba wrote:One note worth adding, if people really are that hellbent on avoiding Ai at all costs, there is one solution I do have for them when the go to their blocked users/content settings:
Tags to avoid.

Feel free to put in the related tags so you don't look at it.

Good reminder, but unfortunately in most of the cases the authors won't be using tags that indicate they used generative AI tools, whether it's in bad faith because they want you to believe they did it by themselves, or in good faith because admittedly it's not so common to tag using the software you used (unless you really want to showcase that fact), so in the end this doesn't help much


Or, Tom or whoever can put a disclaimer about Ai on top of the portal upload page below the unlicensed music disclaimer. That can stop confusion.

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The same thing could happen for other portals

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 14:27:09

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 14:49:47

At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?

An insult is an insult. M-Bot wants you to write a civilized review, not a twitter post.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 14:58:18

At 10/21/25 02:49 PM, kmau wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?
An insult is an insult. M-Bot wants you to write a civilized review, not a twitter post.


Furthermore... That particular expression has been met with criticism because of its obvious connotations with the actual aggravating slur.

We'd better be helping artists out to ditch generative tools and collaborate with others rather than drive them away... Else we lose another one to the gear grinder and the site ends up with its own reputation tainted!

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:04:13

At 10/21/25 02:58 PM, TangoStar wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:49 PM, kmau wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?
An insult is an insult. M-Bot wants you to write a civilized review, not a twitter post.

Furthermore... That particular expression has been met with criticism because of its obvious connotations with the actual aggravating slur.
We'd better be helping artists out to ditch generative tools and collaborate with others rather than drive them away... Else we lose another one to the gear grinder and the site ends up with its own reputation tainted!


Exactly: All it does it give Pro-AI the moral high ground.


There's a good chance OP hasn't even logged in since all the hate is going, so I have no idea what he's gonna wake up to or how he'll respond. I think it's worth taking the creator's feelings into consideration, even when reacting negatively.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:04:40

At 10/21/25 02:49 PM, kmau wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?
An insult is an insult. M-Bot wants you to write a civilized review, not a twitter post.


Essentially this.


I really don't know what people are expecting by just writing clanker.


At least add something substantial if you're gonna be insultive about it. It's called "having tact".

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:10:42

At 10/21/25 02:58 PM, TangoStar wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:49 PM, kmau wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?
An insult is an insult. M-Bot wants you to write a civilized review, not a twitter post.

Furthermore... That particular expression has been met with criticism because of its obvious connotations with the actual aggravating slur.
We'd better be helping artists out to ditch generative tools and collaborate with others rather than drive them away... Else we lose another one to the gear grinder and the site ends up with its own reputation tainted!


Remember the Ilwillpress drama

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:12:52

At 10/21/25 03:04 PM, Aalastein wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:58 PM, TangoStar wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:49 PM, kmau wrote:
At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?
An insult is an insult. M-Bot wants you to write a civilized review, not a twitter post.

Furthermore... That particular expression has been met with criticism because of its obvious connotations with the actual aggravating slur.
We'd better be helping artists out to ditch generative tools and collaborate with others rather than drive them away... Else we lose another one to the gear grinder and the site ends up with its own reputation tainted!

Exactly: All it does it give Pro-AI the moral high ground.

There's a good chance OP hasn't even logged in since all the hate is going, so I have no idea what he's gonna wake up to or how he'll respond. I think it's worth taking the creator's feelings into consideration, even when reacting negatively.

He would

A apology

B Delete the movie

C Delete the whole account

D Bail

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:22:59 (edited 2025-10-21 15:31:09)

At 10/21/25 03:12 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:He would
A apology
B Delete the movie
C Delete the whole account
D Bail


Honestly @Alextoolstudio, you're makimg a very blind assumption. Especially considdering that sometimes people will dig their heels in, tell you to piss off, and make you look like the ignorant one.


You're not helping anyone here. I'll say it again, if you're gonna be insultive then at least have the tact to do so in a way that adds something substantial.


I agree sometimes people need to have a reality check and be told how it is, even if its harsh, but just throwing shade and no substance is just fucking stupid.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:51:53

At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?


How about you stop calling real people the C slur. I know you probably don’t like this person, but you can at least give valid criticism instead of calling him a derogatory slur.

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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:55:33

At 10/21/25 02:27 PM, AlexToolStudio wrote:IS M BOT DEFENDING AI?


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Response to Ai exceptions in the Portal 2025-10-21 15:55:58

Hah. TIL that clanker is a real word and that it's also a slur. :|

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