At 10/22/25 12:09 PM, tydaze wrote:At 10/21/25 05:24 PM, DioShiba wrote:At 10/21/25 05:03 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:At 10/21/25 08:06 AM, DioShiba wrote:At 10/21/25 12:38 AM, Metropoloxx wrote:At 10/20/25 11:35 PM, DioShiba wrote:At 10/20/25 11:15 PM, Metropoloxx wrote:I think to avoid future precedents this incident made, Tom should unpublish Abdragon26 Dearest Friends Ep 1. I can see this incident could be use as a reference for future arguments/debates by actual malicious AI gen users to defend their blatant over use of AI in their animation or art. Besides Abdragon26 should redo the cartoon without using AI and encourage him to avoid relying on it.
I agree that it may be for the best that the movie in question be removed.
Whether people are neutral at minimum or against it, I would have my concerns in this creating more problems than its worth.
Either there needs to be strict regulations, OR just ban it all together and end it. I do not think that Dearest Friends sets a good standard and given how Tom and the rest of the staff feel about the short I think there was more confliction involved in trying to be fair about this.
I do not think theres a win win situation either way. But taking it down at least nay address some concerns.
Yeah. I was looking at the AI Art Rules and it looks pretty balance view to what most people would agree is not okay to use AI but also okay to use AI. One thing I see that Abdragon26 may have broke according to the rules: "There are cases where some use of AI is ok, for example if you are primarily showcasing your character art but use an AI-generated background. In these cases, please note any elements where AI was used so that it is clear to users and moderators."
He did not note any elements where AI was used and my previous comments I said he didn't AI tag his animation. That's a solid reason to have his work unpublished.
Well that's the thing...
This applies for the Art Portal. Not necessarily the Animation Portal.
Which to be honest confuses me because when yout take a look at the Animation Portal the rules of this are a bit more loose.
Comparing that with the Art Portal rukes which are more strict with this, notably in the paragraph you're citing since this post is on another page I will add this screenshot here too.
To be honest even though the disclosure of the use of Ai would have been appreciated there is nothing in the Animation Portal that states this is necessary which I don't necessarily agree with on grounds you get situations like this, and I'll even add that I'm a bit confused by why this isn't the case.
As much as I don't want to put @TomFulp on the spotlight on this, I do wonder why in general in why people who use elements of Ai in their works in the Art Portal have to disclose that and not necessarily those who submit works in the Animation portal because that could potentially eliminate or reduce these types of controversies.
I hope this is not a sign of things to come. Which is why I advocate for a complete "no tolerance policy". Newgrounds has always been a great site for real people. Selling out to AI and sacrificing the integrity of the site will cause a huge drop in users.
With all the "advocating" as you put it being done, I don't think you're accomplishing anything nor is anyone else with similar stances others have had. It's only adding to the same noise the people who are Pro-Ai are pushing.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Generative Ai is a trend, people will eventually tire of the results and it's not going to replace artists any time soon.
You want to do something about it then stop using Generative Ai as an excuse and pick up a pencil. Seek feedback on your work and improve. Give people the reasons why they should hire you over using Ai and show that you have a work ethic.
It already is replacing artists. Individuals and companies all over are using AI generated images where they previously would've had to hire human artists. This is happening in fandoms and communities where independent artists used to get commissions; and also in commercial use, so professionals are impacted as well.
Along with that, we have the issue of scammers offering "commissions" that they claim are hand drawn, but are actually AI generated, which damages trust between commissioners and artists on the whole.
If we were living in 2021 and Ai was recently released, and being aware of all the issues I looked into then I would have agreed with what you are saying.
However, we're in 2025. And by sheer irony companies that have fired artists in favor of utilizing Ai have ended up hiring artists to clean up the mistakes generative Ai makes.
This is something that I actually have kept in mind with one of the discussions we had about this in another thread specifically, but never had the chance to bring up before then since that thread in specific was locked upon request.
Additionally, one of the biggest problems I've noticed with the freelancing scene based on some of the stories I've heard is that more often than not communication becomes a big issue when an artist chooses to take on a commission but isn't in regular contact with the client they are being commissioned by, this can be damaging for the trust between artists and commissions because at that point it gives the impression that artists are flaking and are unable to complete said commission.
The lack of work ethic is what pushes potential clients away from artists and that's something that should be brought up in this discussion because if people are that worried about clients turning to Ai instead, then it's clear there is an issue with the etiquette of how commissions are handled on the end of artists who flake. Granted, this varies between artist to artist so you may have those who have an insanely good work ethic. But that doesn't change the fact that there are artists with a really bad work ethic.
As for your concern with scammers, I do think that it's why it should be important for people to call out when someone is lying about how they are making their work or not disclosing that they have been using Ai in their work from the get go. Which in spite of my neutral stance toward Ai is why I think it's just as important to be critical of those who use Ai.
That being said, this is also why that given the information that has come out I don't feel the need to be stressed or worried that Ai is going to totally replace the jobs artists have because it's clear that even with how Ai is advancing, it's not a perfect technology by any means nor do I anticipate that it will be given there are some things that Ai cannot do.
Which is why again, far more productive with my time encouraging people to keep drawing and improving at their craft as opposed to putting myself through the insanity of being on a soapbox preaching about all the problems Ai has and preaching against it.
