At 10/22/25 03:16 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 03:02 PM, Kut41ns-j03 wrote:The AI bubble is like the dotcom bubble or the railway bubble or the South Sea bubble, it's an industry that does have a major future, but is nevertheless over valued at the current moment in time.

Well theres that and most bubbles are bound to pop eventually.

At 10/22/25 03:46 PM, Czyszy wrote:What I think is going to happen eventually is increasingly more passionate human artists will care about being visible and put "human-made no AI" type badges as their selling point, kinda the same way boutique manufacturers put the sign "hand-made" on their products. But, art is and has always been much more than a product, so I have high hopes that the demand for non-AI-generated art, videos and music will grow as well.

Right now, the whole GenAI fad is far overhyped. But I'm still an optimist. After each growing mainstream culture, comes a counterculture, like punk, hip-hop, black metal and so on. I hope it won't be any different here.

At 10/22/25 01:46 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 12:09 PM, tydaze wrote:

At 10/21/25 05:24 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/21/25 05:03 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/21/25 08:06 AM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/21/25 12:38 AM, Metropoloxx wrote:

At 10/20/25 11:35 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/20/25 11:15 PM, Metropoloxx wrote:

Yeah. I was looking at the AI Art Rules and it looks pretty balance view to what most people would agree is not okay to use AI but also okay to use AI. One thing I see that Abdragon26 may have broke according to the rules: "There are cases where some use of AI is ok, for example if you are primarily showcasing your character art but use an AI-generated background. In these cases, please note any elements where AI was used so that it is clear to users and moderators."

He did not note any elements where AI was used and my previous comments I said he didn't AI tag his animation. That's a solid reason to have his work unpublished.

Well that's the thing...

This applies for the Art Portal. Not necessarily the Animation Portal.

Which to be honest confuses me because when yout take a look at the Animation Portal the rules of this are a bit more loose.


Comparing that with the Art Portal rukes which are more strict with this, notably in the paragraph you're citing since this post is on another page I will add this screenshot here too.


To be honest even though the disclosure of the use of Ai would have been appreciated there is nothing in the Animation Portal that states this is necessary which I don't necessarily agree with on grounds you get situations like this, and I'll even add that I'm a bit confused by why this isn't the case.

As much as I don't want to put @TomFulp on the spotlight on this, I do wonder why in general in why people who use elements of Ai in their works in the Art Portal have to disclose that and not necessarily those who submit works in the Animation portal because that could potentially eliminate or reduce these types of controversies.

I hope this is not a sign of things to come. Which is why I advocate for a complete "no tolerance policy". Newgrounds has always been a great site for real people. Selling out to AI and sacrificing the integrity of the site will cause a huge drop in users.

With all the "advocating" as you put it being done, I don't think you're accomplishing anything nor is anyone else with similar stances others have had. It's only adding to the same noise the people who are Pro-Ai are pushing.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Generative Ai is a trend, people will eventually tire of the results and it's not going to replace artists any time soon.

You want to do something about it then stop using Generative Ai as an excuse and pick up a pencil. Seek feedback on your work and improve. Give people the reasons why they should hire you over using Ai and show that you have a work ethic.

It already is replacing artists. Individuals and companies all over are using AI generated images where they previously would've had to hire human artists. This is happening in fandoms and communities where independent artists used to get commissions; and also in commercial use, so professionals are impacted as well.

Along with that, we have the issue of scammers offering "commissions" that they claim are hand drawn, but are actually AI generated, which damages trust between commissioners and artists on the whole.

If we were living in 2021 and Ai was recently released, and being aware of all the issues I looked into then I would have agreed with what you are saying.

However, we're in 2025. And by sheer irony companies that have fired artists in favor of utilizing Ai have ended up hiring artists to clean up the mistakes generative Ai makes.

This is something that I actually have kept in mind with one of the discussions we had about this in another thread specifically, but never had the chance to bring up before then since that thread in specific was locked upon request.

Additionally, one of the biggest problems I've noticed with the freelancing scene based on some of the stories I've heard is that more often than not communication becomes a big issue when an artist chooses to take on a commission but isn't in regular contact with the client they are being commissioned by, this can be damaging for the trust between artists and commissions because at that point it gives the impression that artists are flaking and are unable to complete said commission.

The lack of work ethic is what pushes potential clients away from artists and that's something that should be brought up in this discussion because if people are that worried about clients turning to Ai instead, then it's clear there is an issue with the etiquette of how commissions are handled on the end of artists who flake. Granted, this varies between artist to artist so you may have those who have an insanely good work ethic. But that doesn't change the fact that there are artists with a really bad work ethic.

As for your concern with scammers, I do think that it's why it should be important for people to call out when someone is lying about how they are making their work or not disclosing that they have been using Ai in their work from the get go. Which in spite of my neutral stance toward Ai is why I think it's just as important to be critical of those who use Ai.

That being said, this is also why that given the information that has come out I don't feel the need to be stressed or worried that Ai is going to totally replace the jobs artists have because it's clear that even with how Ai is advancing, it's not a perfect technology by any means nor do I anticipate that it will be given there are some things that Ai cannot do.

Which is why again, far more productive with my time encouraging people to keep drawing and improving at their craft as opposed to putting myself through the insanity of being on a soapbox preaching about all the problems Ai has and preaching against it.

At 10/22/25 01:52 PM, Jojo wrote:

At 10/21/25 02:12 AM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:Its not fine. Half of that video relies on ai generation. "Self-deprecating" the "means-of-production" is not an excuse. that's hypocritical. Newgrounds really has to get harsher on this.

Yeah, that's why as I personally said, I wouldn't bat an eye to them being gone if it meant that AI would no longer be allowed here.

"With all the "advocating" as you put it being done, I don't think you're accomplishing anything nor is anyone else with similar stances others have had. It's only adding to the same noise the people who are Pro-Ai are pushing."

How am I not accomplishing anything? If my words defend basic copyright laws and artist rights then I'll take pleasure in "advocating" all day. Why do you find hostility in that?

"It already is replacing artists. Individuals and companies all over are using AI generated images where they previously would've had to hire human artists. This is happening in fandoms and communities where independent artists used to get commissions; and also in commercial use, so professionals are impacted as well."

At 10/22/25 04:47 PM, DioShiba wrote:I had a feeling someone was going to feel that what I am saying would feel like an attack on them.

Lets dissect this

At 10/22/25 04:16 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:I agree with you that we just all "need to keep drawing". but at the same time their is nothing wrong with "soap boxing" if its important. We can do both. You don't seem to like outspoken views on this subject.

Mate, you're talking to one of the more outspoken users here on newgrounds. But you're also talking to someone who knows how to debate.

Sure, you can do both. But if all you are doing is regurgitating the same arguments that have been gone over such as "Ai is stealing jobs from artists", "Ai is bad for the environment", or even "Ai is plagiarizing other artists". Not only are you bringing up talking points that have been gone over to death but you're not adding anything new to the discussion that hasn't already been gone over. (<- See that part? My issue isn't with people being outspoken, my issue is when people are adding to an echo chamber. We don't need that.)

"With all the "advocating" as you put it being done, I don't think you're accomplishing anything nor is anyone else with similar stances others have had. It's only adding to the same noise the people who are Pro-Ai are pushing."

How am I not accomplishing anything? If my words defend basic copyright laws and artist rights then I'll take pleasure in "advocating" all day. Why do you find hostility in that?

When you put it like that, it sounds like a psychological projection in all fairness.

Again, goes into the exact point that I'm talking about above. I want to hear something new whenever these discussions come up about Ai and not the same tired points. So far, this thread actually has done a better job with adding more nuanced points than previous Ai discussion threads and lasted a lot longer than I thought it would have for that reason.

Also this is a part where unless you're able to read between the lines and understand the exact nuances and subtitles that I'm bringing up, even taking the time to throw in the additional context to these discussions then you might not exactly be taking the time to really think about what I really mean with some of the things I'm saying at face value.

That said, I don't find hostility in your points or anyone else's who disagree with me. That's very far from the case. But if someone is going to soapbox and keep doing the exact thing I'm talking about, it's likely not going to push for more awareness to why Ai is a problem. Rather, it could run the risk of doing the opposite. And I say that having been someone who was opposed to Ai entirely back in 2021-2023 until I realized that there are more nuances to the broader topic that people often miss because of their own biases.

"It already is replacing artists. Individuals and companies all over are using AI generated images where they previously would've had to hire human artists. This is happening in fandoms and communities where independent artists used to get commissions; and also in commercial use, so professionals are impacted as well."

This was Tydaze's point so I'm not exactly sure why on Earth you're directing this response and attributing this quote to me when I've addressed his point in the previous page.

That being said there isn't much of a point in me addressing the response you made to this quote in particular when I have the exact link to the response I made. What I will say though if you carefully read what I'm saying you might find that I did offer a simple solution to the problem of scammers, despite how uncommon of a problem it is.

Lastly, freelancers on newgrounds and other serious platforms constantly stay in regular contact with clients. we all want to get paid, don't we? So I'm not sure where you got that from. I've been a paid freelancer since 2019.

I'm assuming this question is stemming from the part you were attributing to tydaze's quote is stemming from.

Regardless if someone is wanting to get paid or not (I've actually had clients myself) I did point out that there are some issues with freelancing that stem from one's work ethic. This is something that I touched upon in my response to Ty because sure, people who do freelancing obviously want to get paid but when you have artists who don't communicate and flake out, how does that exactly build trust between the artist and the client? It generally doesn't.

That's why there are people who feel that they can't find artists who are willing to do the work and that's when they turn to people who use Ai. I'm not saying this is every artist on the internet but I'm fairly certain anyone who has had friends with people who get commissions have heard of stories about artists who do this.

That said there should be a discussion happening there because I guarantee you that this problem does occur and that should be taken into consideration with the broader context of the overall conversation. One might say it could be it's own conversation.

If I'm recycling the same arguments and they'll harm my case (logically I dont know how), its because those are the crucial real-world facts/evidence" that affect actual professionals in negative ways. The ones that are proven.

I'm pretty knowledgable on the subject of gen ai and I'm aware of the nuances. more than you know. and what I find is the people who like to "dance in the grey areas" or don't agree with defending other artists are usually prompters themselves who justify their own creative inadequacies by playing for both sides.

"When you put it like that, it sounds like a psychological projection in all fairness."
A very suspicious comment. their is clearly something that gets under your skin here. Normal artists would not find offense in my words, even if I repeat the same talking points and facts.

"That's why there are people who feel that they can't find artists who are willing to do the work and that's when they turn to people who use Ai. I'm not saying this is every artist on the internet but I'm fairly certain anyone who has had friends with people who get commissions have heard of stories about artists who do this."

What? do you know how many freelancers their are? Potential clients turn to copyright infringement, because no one wants to put he work in? I really doubt your credibility when you say nonsense like that.

At 10/21/25 09:57 AM, TomFulp wrote:There's an ongoing argument that "if you delete that, you have to delete everything that has used AI in any way" and at the end of the day, my feeling is "nah it's my site and I just need to make controversial decisions sometimes."

This movie was clearly made by a younger artist where English isn't their first language. The ideal review for something like this would be to encourage the author to not lean on AI. Point out that the AI art flourishes like the burger logos weren't necessary, that they should look for voice actors here on NG and even try reaching out to some musicians.

At 10/22/25 06:00 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 05:27 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:
You know how to debate? I couldn't tell.

Honestly I was thinking the same for you now that you threw a rather passive aggressive comment.

If your outspoken too and you want to defend other artists from getting their work scraped, then why do you claim that I'm more harmful than beneficial in your expert opinion? Most people stand with me out of common decency and artist rights.

Assuming you actually read the comments you would find that I'm not defending people having their work scrapped. I am aware that is an issue, but there are also tools such as glaze or night shade that can be used if people are that concerned about the data scraping.

In fact I very much pointed out that I'm neither for Ai on grounds that it doesn't actually utilize any skills that an artist would have. Why would I want to advocate for something that isn't allowing artists to create things from scratch with a pencil or tablet pen? That defeats the purpose of actually building a skill and that's where I don't feel the need to defend it.

But I'm also aware that it's a pandora's box situation, so I can't be against it either when I know for a fact that it's a technology that has been out and isn't going away any time soon. BUT, there is a sliver of hope that I can hold onto because if you bothered to read the article I cited from NBC in my response to Tydaze's comment and read the points I added, you would understand that I do feel that Ai is a trend. And like all other trends, it shall pass.

For someone who claims to know a lot about Ai I would assume you know that by now but given the nature of your reply, I'm guessing you forgot that in the heat of the moment.

If I'm recycling the same arguments and they'll harm my case (logically I dont know how), its because those are the crucial real-world facts/evidence" that affect actual professionals in negative ways. The ones that are proven.

I'm pretty knowledgable on the subject of gen ai and I'm aware of the nuances. more than you know. and what I find is the people who like to "dance in the grey areas" or don't agree with defending other artists are usually prompters themselves who justify their own creative inadequacies by playing for both sides.

And yet, in the exact thread that I pointed out in my response to Tydaze I referred you to you would find a link that has the exact thread where I had a prior discussion with him he brought up a lot of the same points you are saying, right now.

You're not the only one who brings up any of the following points you made in concerns with this that haven't already been beaten to death and yet, still bring them up here:

Feel free to quiz me on the "nuances" of gen ai..including processes, scraping, data interaction, lawsuits, settlement costs, etc... You'll see I'm more than qualified to to be an "outspoken soap box preacher".

I think anyone can see why I find this tiresome when it adds nothing new to the conversation.

Also,...when it comes to freelancing. i have not met a freelancer who play games with their clients. The people who are good and not 15 years old are typically very professional and dedicated.

And, that's in your own personal experience.

However, that is not the experience of every freelancer and the fact that you bring up only freelancers, not exactly people who are not in the same position that you and I would have here indicates that you are speaking from some level of bias and haven't spoken with someone who you know isn't a freelancer but does commission art.

If I addressed a response to a comment that you never made, then i apologize. but at the same time, its hard to keep track when you link 4-6 different users comments in a single comment.

Fair point, but honestly this raises a question in my mind. Are you reading to understand? Or are you reading to react?

"When you put it like that, it sounds like a psychological projection in all fairness."
A very suspicious comment. their is clearly something that gets under your skin here. Normal artists would not find offense in my words, even if I repeat the same talking points and facts.

Okay now that you put it like this I can lean toward the latter that you are reading to react.

I'm not even remotely offended by your comment but now you're kind of going in this weird territory where you are led to believe that I am for some reason simply on the basis of disagreement.

"That's why there are people who feel that they can't find artists who are willing to do the work and that's when they turn to people who use Ai. I'm not saying this is every artist on the internet but I'm fairly certain anyone who has had friends with people who get commissions have heard of stories about artists who do this."

What? do you know how many freelancers their are? Potential clients turn to copyright infringement, because no one wants to put he work in? I really doubt your credibility when you say nonsense like that.

Yes because clearly you are the most credible person here to know how many freelancers I know in my circles who are also against Ai, but I know personally having worked with them. Let alone how many people I do know that seek commissions who have shared those stories with me personally.

Its most likely, they did not even hire a freelancer in the first place and went right to the subscription service. That would be a more realistic response.

Okay bub, whatever you say.

Lastly..there is nothing wrong with repeating the same info, especially if its true.

Actually, there is.

If you are taking points from an echo chamber (which by the way, is literally what you are doing here) and putting them everywhere else on the internet, not only are you using them in a way to shut down any discourse on a topic but you also run the risk of creating another echo chamber with the same points.

It's tiring, not everyone wants to hear people bring up the same points that stem from a bias.

Especially if your very knowlegdable on the topic and you live it everyday. My understanding of the nuances is why I am outspoken. Feel free to quiz me on every aspect of gen ai if you doubt my knowledge.

You speak about bringing up quizzing you like you think that you know everything based around the topic, but honesty my guy, given your behaviors here I don't even think you've been willing yourself to even have any civil conversation with people you would be willing to disagree with and are willing to attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with you like you are the one who is holding gospel.

This isn't how discourse works.

If you really are that offended by my position in remaining neutral about Ai, that's your prerogative. It's also your right to block me if you feel that I'm not the kind of person you want to talk to.

However, if you're just going to react to my posts in the manner that you are doing them in then not only are you wasting everyone's time but you're also wasting your own here.

Not that I would expect you to understand that since you seem to be having a dopamine rush and feeling good about saying "Ai Bad and this is why" in every discussion you go into.

At 10/22/25 06:34 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 06:00 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 05:27 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:
You know how to debate? I couldn't tell.

Honestly I was thinking the same for you now that you threw a rather passive aggressive comment.

If your outspoken too and you want to defend other artists from getting their work scraped, then why do you claim that I'm more harmful than beneficial in your expert opinion? Most people stand with me out of common decency and artist rights.

Assuming you actually read the comments you would find that I'm not defending people having their work scrapped. I am aware that is an issue, but there are also tools such as glaze or night shade that can be used if people are that concerned about the data scraping.

In fact I very much pointed out that I'm neither for Ai on grounds that it doesn't actually utilize any skills that an artist would have. Why would I want to advocate for something that isn't allowing artists to create things from scratch with a pencil or tablet pen? That defeats the purpose of actually building a skill and that's where I don't feel the need to defend it.

But I'm also aware that it's a pandora's box situation, so I can't be against it either when I know for a fact that it's a technology that has been out and isn't going away any time soon. BUT, there is a sliver of hope that I can hold onto because if you bothered to read the article I cited from NBC in my response to Tydaze's comment and read the points I added, you would understand that I do feel that Ai is a trend. And like all other trends, it shall pass.

For someone who claims to know a lot about Ai I would assume you know that by now but given the nature of your reply, I'm guessing you forgot that in the heat of the moment.

If I'm recycling the same arguments and they'll harm my case (logically I dont know how), its because those are the crucial real-world facts/evidence" that affect actual professionals in negative ways. The ones that are proven.

I'm pretty knowledgable on the subject of gen ai and I'm aware of the nuances. more than you know. and what I find is the people who like to "dance in the grey areas" or don't agree with defending other artists are usually prompters themselves who justify their own creative inadequacies by playing for both sides.

And yet, in the exact thread that I pointed out in my response to Tydaze I referred you to you would find a link that has the exact thread where I had a prior discussion with him he brought up a lot of the same points you are saying, right now.

You're not the only one who brings up any of the following points you made in concerns with this that haven't already been beaten to death and yet, still bring them up here:

Feel free to quiz me on the "nuances" of gen ai..including processes, scraping, data interaction, lawsuits, settlement costs, etc... You'll see I'm more than qualified to to be an "outspoken soap box preacher".

I think anyone can see why I find this tiresome when it adds nothing new to the conversation.

Also,...when it comes to freelancing. i have not met a freelancer who play games with their clients. The people who are good and not 15 years old are typically very professional and dedicated.

And, that's in your own personal experience.

However, that is not the experience of every freelancer and the fact that you bring up only freelancers, not exactly people who are not in the same position that you and I would have here indicates that you are speaking from some level of bias and haven't spoken with someone who you know isn't a freelancer but does commission art.

If I addressed a response to a comment that you never made, then i apologize. but at the same time, its hard to keep track when you link 4-6 different users comments in a single comment.

Fair point, but honestly this raises a question in my mind. Are you reading to understand? Or are you reading to react?

"When you put it like that, it sounds like a psychological projection in all fairness."
A very suspicious comment. their is clearly something that gets under your skin here. Normal artists would not find offense in my words, even if I repeat the same talking points and facts.

Okay now that you put it like this I can lean toward the latter that you are reading to react.

I'm not even remotely offended by your comment but now you're kind of going in this weird territory where you are led to believe that I am for some reason simply on the basis of disagreement.

"That's why there are people who feel that they can't find artists who are willing to do the work and that's when they turn to people who use Ai. I'm not saying this is every artist on the internet but I'm fairly certain anyone who has had friends with people who get commissions have heard of stories about artists who do this."

What? do you know how many freelancers their are? Potential clients turn to copyright infringement, because no one wants to put he work in? I really doubt your credibility when you say nonsense like that.

Yes because clearly you are the most credible person here to know how many freelancers I know in my circles who are also against Ai, but I know personally having worked with them. Let alone how many people I do know that seek commissions who have shared those stories with me personally.

Its most likely, they did not even hire a freelancer in the first place and went right to the subscription service. That would be a more realistic response.

Okay bub, whatever you say.

Lastly..there is nothing wrong with repeating the same info, especially if its true.

Actually, there is.

If you are taking points from an echo chamber (which by the way, is literally what you are doing here) and putting them everywhere else on the internet, not only are you using them in a way to shut down any discourse on a topic but you also run the risk of creating another echo chamber with the same points.

It's tiring, not everyone wants to hear people bring up the same points that stem from a bias.

Especially if your very knowlegdable on the topic and you live it everyday. My understanding of the nuances is why I am outspoken. Feel free to quiz me on every aspect of gen ai if you doubt my knowledge.

You speak about bringing up quizzing you like you think that you know everything based around the topic, but honesty my guy, given your behaviors here I don't even think you've been willing yourself to even have any civil conversation with people you would be willing to disagree with and are willing to attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with you like you are the one who is holding gospel.

This isn't how discourse works.

If you really are that offended by my position in remaining neutral about Ai, that's your prerogative. It's also your right to block me if you feel that I'm not the kind of person you want to talk to.

However, if you're just going to react to my posts in the manner that you are doing them in then not only are you wasting everyone's time but you're also wasting your own here.

Not that I would expect you to understand that since you seem to be having a dopamine rush and feeling good about saying "Ai Bad and this is why" in every discussion you go into.

But I'm also aware that it's a pandora's box situation, so I can't be against it either when I know for a fact that it's a technology that has been out and isn't going away any time soon. BUT, there is a sliver of hope that I can hold onto because if you bothered to read the article I cited from NBC in my response to Tydaze's comment and read the points I added, you would understand that I do feel that Ai is a trend. And like all other trends, it shall pass.

If I'm recycling the same arguments and they'll harm my case (logically I dont know how), its because those are the crucial real-world facts/evidence" that affect actual professionals in negative ways. The ones that are proven.

I'm pretty knowledgable on the subject of gen ai and I'm aware of the nuances. more than you know. and what I find is the people who like to "dance in the grey areas" or don't agree with defending other artists are usually prompters themselves who justify their own creative inadequacies by playing for both sides.

Feel free to quiz me on the "nuances" of gen ai..including processes, scraping, data interaction, lawsuits, settlement costs, etc... You'll see I'm more than qualified to to be an "outspoken soap box preacher".

I think anyone can see why I find this tiresome when it adds nothing new to the conversation.

Also,...when it comes to freelancing. i have not met a freelancer who play games with their clients. The people who are good and not 15 years old are typically very professional and dedicated.

And, that's in your own personal experience.

However, that is not the experience of every freelancer and the fact that you bring up only freelancers, not exactly people who are not in the same position that you and I would have here indicates that you are speaking from some level of bias and haven't spoken with someone who you know isn't a freelancer but does commission art.

If I addressed a response to a comment that you never made, then i apologize. but at the same time, its hard to keep track when you link 4-6 different users comments in a single comment.

Fair point, but honestly this raises a question in my mind. Are you reading to understand? Or are you reading to react?

"When you put it like that, it sounds like a psychological projection in all fairness."
A very suspicious comment. their is clearly something that gets under your skin here. Normal artists would not find offense in my words, even if I repeat the same talking points and facts.

Okay now that you put it like this I can lean toward the latter that you are reading to react.

I'm not even remotely offended by your comment but now you're kind of going in this weird territory where you are led to believe that I am for some reason simply on the basis of disagreement.

"That's why there are people who feel that they can't find artists who are willing to do the work and that's when they turn to people who use Ai. I'm not saying this is every artist on the internet but I'm fairly certain anyone who has had friends with people who get commissions have heard of stories about artists who do this."

What? do you know how many freelancers their are? Potential clients turn to copyright infringement, because no one wants to put he work in? I really doubt your credibility when you say nonsense like that.

Yes because clearly you are the most credible person here to know how many freelancers I know in my circles who are also against Ai, but I know personally having worked with them. Let alone how many people I do know that seek commissions who have shared those stories with me personally.

Its most likely, they did not even hire a freelancer in the first place and went right to the subscription service. That would be a more realistic response.

Okay bub, whatever you say.

Lastly..there is nothing wrong with repeating the same info, especially if its true.

Actually, there is.

If you are taking points from an echo chamber (which by the way, is literally what you are doing here) and putting them everywhere else on the internet, not only are you using them in a way to shut down any discourse on a topic but you also run the risk of creating another echo chamber with the same points.

It's tiring, not everyone wants to hear people bring up the same points that stem from a bias.

Especially if your very knowlegdable on the topic and you live it everyday. My understanding of the nuances is why I am outspoken. Feel free to quiz me on every aspect of gen ai if you doubt my knowledge.

You speak about bringing up quizzing you like you think that you know everything based around the topic, but honesty my guy, given your behaviors here I don't even think you've been willing yourself to even have any civil conversation with people you would be willing to disagree with and are willing to attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with you like you are the one who is holding gospel.

This isn't how discourse works.

If you really are that offended by my position in remaining neutral about Ai, that's your prerogative. It's also your right to block me if you feel that I'm not the kind of person you want to talk to.

However, if you're just going to react to my posts in the manner that you are doing them in then not only are you wasting everyone's time but you're also wasting your own here.

Not that I would expect you to understand that since you seem to be having a dopamine rush and feeling good about saying "Ai Bad and this is why" in every discussion you go into.

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:End this misguided transparent hostility and agree with me completely.

This sounds like something a Russian Dictator would say. Or even a child. Nobody is gonna agree with you with that attitude.

At 10/22/25 07:22 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:End this misguided transparent hostility and agree with me completely.

This sounds like something a Russian Dictator would say. Or even a child. Nobody is gonna agree with you with that attitude.

Do people agree with rampant theft? don't agree with me..agree with defending what's right and just. Agree with moral ethical and professionalism. Otherwise you have no future.

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:Psychological projection behind a wall of text.

At this point, this is your problem.

I've stated my stance but at this point you seem to want to insist on continuing this discussion since you love to hear yourself talk.

Go touch grass kid

At 10/22/25 07:29 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:22 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:End this misguided transparent hostility and agree with me completely.

This sounds like something a Russian Dictator would say. Or even a child. Nobody is gonna agree with you with that attitude.

Do people agree with rampant theft? don't agree with me..agree with defending what's right and just. Agree with moral ethical and professionalism. Otherwise you have no future.

Look, I’m just as anti Ai as you. But demanding someone to agree with you is not how you win a debate.

At 10/22/25 07:38 PM, mikebarusky wrote:I'm a bit late to this, but I will say that I feel like it's important that we heavily discourage the use of AI in any form of art on this website, even if it's to criticize AI.

It's important that we set a good precedent to show future artists that no matter what, Newgrounds will not stand for the use of AI. Small exceptions like these could lead to much worse implications later on (or at least that's how I see it.)

It would be nice if Newgrounds is completely free of anything AI generated, because every other website ever now doesn't crack down on AI very much.

At 10/22/25 07:36 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:29 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:22 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:End this misguided transparent hostility and agree with me completely.

This sounds like something a Russian Dictator would say. Or even a child. Nobody is gonna agree with you with that attitude.

Do people agree with rampant theft? don't agree with me..agree with defending what's right and just. Agree with moral ethical and professionalism. Otherwise you have no future.

Look, I’m just as anti Ai as you. But demanding someone to agree with you is not how you win a debate.

Their are gen ai users debating with me? Where are they? I thought we were all against it. What is there to debate and demand when we are all on the same side?...

At 10/22/25 07:59 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:36 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:29 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:22 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, Anamonator wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:End this misguided transparent hostility and agree with me completely.

This sounds like something a Russian Dictator would say. Or even a child. Nobody is gonna agree with you with that attitude.

Do people agree with rampant theft? don't agree with me..agree with defending what's right and just. Agree with moral ethical and professionalism. Otherwise you have no future.

Look, I’m just as anti Ai as you. But demanding someone to agree with you is not how you win a debate.

Their are gen ai users debating with me? Where are they? I thought we were all against it. What is there to debate and demand when we are all on the same side?...

No. I don’t use Ai. Nobody in this forum uses Ai except Abdragon26. I’m just a spectator.

At 10/22/25 07:32 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:Psychological projection behind a wall of text.

At this point, this is your problem.

I've stated my stance but at this point you seem to want to insist on continuing this discussion since you love to hear yourself talk.

Go touch grass kid

Kid? I wish i was a kid again. Thanks for the compliment.

Your talking as much as I am. If I enjoy the sound of my own voice, then so do you.
If your going to avoid bias, then that's your choice of course...but based on my personal experience its a symptom of something else.
Work on those pixel livestreams, your killing it buddy! Maybe gen ai can help you!

At 10/22/25 06:52 PM, CIGG wrote:

At 10/21/25 09:09 PM, Jojo wrote:I saw someone call another guy a "gooner" just for calling a girl in a video "cute". I think it's safe to say that a lot of people are scared of sincerity on the internet.

It's just like "simp". It was quickly turned into an insult for people who are attracted to someone when it was originally used for guys who can't get over unrequited loves and persue parasocial relationships.

At 10/22/25 08:21 PM, Anamonator wrote:I feel like nobody really knows my stance on Ai so I’ll go ahead and explain it.

I am against the use of Generative Ai because I feel like it is a dangerous gateway to mass unemployment in the media industry. Especially with Sora 2 existing. But I feel like one day, everyone will get tired of Ai at some point and realize just how much of a negative impact generative Ai has on employment rates and eventually the economy. Because big tech has invested so much money in Ai to the point where if Ai crashes in the economy, most likely so will big tech.

And before you say “Oh we should eradicate every form of Ai”. Ai has existed for many years. For example, when you’re playing a game like let’s say Mario Party (Specifically the first game for the N64). That game uses a form of Ai to determine what the “CPU” characters should do. Like, where to go on the board or what to do in a mini game.

I am open to see how modern Ai can be used as an ethical tool while still having human workers involved in the animation industry. But then again, why use Ai?Newgrounds was built off of human creativity and commitment. If you are not a very good animator, ask someone to help you out. If you cannot make good music, ask someone to make it for you. If your scripts aren’t entertaining, ask someone to help co write. There are many resources on Newgrounds to help your project be successful. But using generative Ai is not the answer.

At 10/22/25 08:27 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:32 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:14 PM, DioShiba wrote:

At 10/22/25 07:09 PM, ChrisMckiernan wrote:Psychological projection behind a wall of text.

At this point, this is your problem.

I've stated my stance but at this point you seem to want to insist on continuing this discussion since you love to hear yourself talk.

Go touch grass kid

Kid? I wish i was a kid again. Thanks for the compliment.

Your talking as much as I am. If I enjoy the sound of my own voice, then so do you.
If your going to avoid bias, then that's your choice of course...but based on my personal experience its a symptom of something else.
Work on those pixel livestreams, your killing it buddy! Maybe gen ai can help you!

Lmao you really are childish.